Guys, people, PLEASE STOP preaching and teaching about the “bulls eye” rash trade-mark created by a tick. Please. Stop. I had a rash that was circular, about nickel-quarter coin size, but it was NOT bulls eye shape nor, again, was it a complete circle. Because of this, I thought I had some skin abnormality or deformation developed and that it might go away. Later, I had a doctor see it and they didn’t think much of it also. I now STINKING SUFFER the damages created and left by that disease. STOP YOUR “bulls-eye” tradition and generalized teaching of the rash created by ticks. Please start using “Circular” instead, the size of a “nickel” or “quarter”-“generally.” You must use these basic, general, but maybe Life-Saving terms instead of the bulls eye term. Please. Thank you.
While a Lyme vaccine would be ideal, I would like to point out that you can heal yourself of Lyme and all of its confections using a quality Rife machine. I healed myself of 25 years of Lyme this way and then started a group in which I met a local doctor who healed his near terminal Lyme the same way.
I had a client in Baltimore who was suffering and I kept trying to get him to buy a Rife machine but he had one of the top Lyme docs in the country and trusted him. Only after a year of hassling him did he finally ask this very famous doctor. The docs face lit up and he said that he had cured HIS OWN LYME with a Rife machine, but did not dare mention it until his patient mentioned it first……If you want to read of a real tragedy and travesty, read Barry Lines [not Lymes!] book, The Cancer Cure That Worked.
Big Pharma has been repressing the best medicine for our major diseases forever. Their principal goal is not curing us but is making money. But so many people love their doctors….It is not the doctors, it is the system. The triad of allowable treatments- surgery, chemo and radiation, miss the diamond of medicine, which is frequency medicine. Try not to comment if you are ignorant of Frequency medicine and just want to repeat the lies of Big Pharma. I have watched numerous friends die of Lyme, and have watched as the ones who used Rife machines just continually get better. Get Brian Rosner’s book, Lyme Disease and Rife Machines.
I was one of those people permanently injured by the Lymerix vaccine. In the late 90s I was doing a lot of field work and often found myself covered in ticks. I got the first two shots about three weeks apart. I never went back for the third shot because within a few days of the second shot, I got severe stiffness in my extremities – hands, wrists, elbows, ankles, knees. If I spoke on the phone for a while (the old corded phones), I wasn’t able to straighten my arm to hang the phone up on its cradle on the wall. Walking to the bathroom when I first got out of bed in the morning was extremely difficult because I couldn’t bend my ankles. I never knew about the lawsuit or that the vaccine was withdrawn. I saw my doctor who never reported my symptoms. She sent me to a rheumatologist who told me he thought I was trying to get into a lawsuit. I wasn’t and I never did participate in a lawsuit. Over the years I’ve found very little info on the Lymerix vaccine except opinionators stating that it had to be pulled because so many people created symptoms so that they could sue the manufacturer. My symptoms were real. I still suffer all these years later. I once read an article that did say that most people impacted by the vaccine first got the symptoms after the second shot (as I did) and that the resulting stiffness mostly occured in the extremities, as it did for me. I really wish there had been more research into the impact of the Lymerix vaccine. We were dismissed as lawsuit hungry, rather than for the actual damage done by the vaccine. I’m not anti-vaccine. My children and my dog are all up to date on their vaccines. I’m a microbiologist by training. Something happened here that should have been properly investigated and never was. I hope the same doesn’t happen with a new vaccine.
Having chronic Lyme for 7 years has prompted me to self educate on the matter. Here is one very important warning for tick bite victims: the likely treatment
of a few weeks Doxycycline WILL NOT WORK IF CALCIUM (milk, cheese, yogurt, calcium antacids, or calcium supplements, etc.) is consumed surrounding the Doxy because the Doxy binds to calcium and becomes useless.Perhaps this is a large portion of the chronic Lyme epidemic because it is generally not stressed
with the prescription instructiobns.
Please see a court case about this:
Having previously caught lyme disease, I took LYMErix when it came out. It was my understanding that in addition to some people (not me) reporting serious side effects, the vaccine’s immunity lasted only a year. The latter was also a reason why the manufacturer pulled the vaccine.
I had a weekend house in rural Columbia county north of NYC in the 1990s. Our dog would often come home with what looked like a blister, or a growth. It was an engorged tick, that I learned how to remove. .
One day I noticed a red circle on my leg, maybe six inches in diameter. I called my N.Y.C doctor. I wanted to have a blood test but he demanded I take action immediately, so phoned the antibiotic to the local pharmacist. He was a caustic doctor who I never liked, but to this day I appreciate his no BS response that may have saved me from a chronic problem. BTW, I did get the first shot of the vaccine, before they withdrew it.
Now I live in a boring suburb of San Diego, but while I do have to worry about earthquakes and fires, we don’t have lime disease-yet
This is a comment about the Lyme vaccine for dogs. I had my young, healthy retriever-mix vaccinated for Lyme. I didn’t realize that Golden and Labrador Retrievers seem to be predisposed to developing Lyme nephritis, a kidney disease which is usually fatal. Within a few days after getting the vaccine, my dog went into kidney failure and died. I later learned that due to this predisposition some retrievers can get nephritis as an adverse reaction to the Lyme vaccine itself, so I would urge caution if you have a retriever and are considering the vaccine.
Using the conspiracy garbage site whale.to as part of your argument automatically negates everything you’ve claimed.
Considering Lyne disease is a bioweapon first developed on Plum Island by the US military in the 1950s, thanks to the tech they got from the nazi scientists they brought to the US under operation paperclip, a vaccine against lyme would be more of the same. Why not simply treat against the toxins that are in Lyne disease, such as mycoplasma, parasites, and viruses, most of which could be treated with an anti-parasitic like diatomaceous earth, anti-fungals like apple cider vinegar, and anti-viral treatments which are present in many essential oils like rosemary, thyme, tea tree, and oregano.
It is time the real truth about Lyme disease and other bioweapons released on the American public and global populace by an out of control DOD and research community was made public.
I hope your tinfoil hat is firmly in place, to protect you against those brain waves the CIA is shooting out from the chemtrail planes.
Wow. The depth of ignorance in this comment is staggering. First, mycoplasm, parasites and viruses are not toxins. They are living organisms. Mycoplasmas are a group of bacteria that cause several different diseases, none related in any way to Lyme. Parasites could be intestinal worms, heartworms, blood parasites such as some protozoa–again, no relation whatsoever to Lyme disease. Viruses have no connection whatsoever to Lyme. It’s caused by a totally different organism, a spirochetal bacterium. Moreover, Borrelia (the bacterium that causes Lyme) does not produce toxins itself, such as some other bacteria do.
If you seriously think that Lyme disease can be cured with diatomaceous earth, apple cider vinegar,rosemary, tea tree [oil] or oregano, then I’d like to invite you to expose yourself to Lyme and then document how you cured your infection. You’ll have the attention of the entire world if you can do that, I promise you.
His/her use use of “toxins” may have been misused: they probably meant toxins in the effect that it is harmful to/for humans. One must be reasonable when reading someone’s comments (and researching) because interpretation and perspective can have a large gap with anyone else’s if we don’t check our senses. Age, gender, the way one was raised, where one was raised, their conditions or environment, and more, must be considered if we are to understand someone else’s actual wording. More so, it is a fact that hospitals and pharmaceuticals are affiliated in treating others and that money is all that matters in the end. Saying natural remedies are what the world is waiting for by way of “researchers” is saying you don’t care for such remedies but that you will trust “science” until they say any given natural resource or treatment works, and that will NEVER happen. Why don’t use the heart of a apricot seed to treat (maybe not cure) cancer? It is a well established fact that it works. “Scientists” working for the Huge tobacco industry use to say tobacco didn’t have any addictive substance, too, but now we know it does. It’s always, and always will be, about money first and foremost. Some science(s) are great and amazing, but many come VERY short on helping the human race achieve great health and prosper.
Lyme disease was discovered in the 5,000 year old Oetsi frozen body in Switzerland (watch the several NOVA PBS shows) which contributed to his arthritis problems. The DOD hasn’t been around that long. It was brought from Europe to the New World with the colonist and their rats.
But that was not Lyme disease. They WANT it to be Lyme so, like some other “sciences,” they push the IDEA that it was Lyme.
The main problem here which no one is talking about is the increase of ticks throughout many areas of the country. It’s a huge problem and getting worse year over year. There are too many deer and maybe too many other critters carrying the ticks without a population of predators. So, an animal sick from a tick bite lives a much longer life allowing for the spread of whatever disease it’s carrying over a longer time span. And yes there are more tick diseases than lyme. If you live in a city you probably don’t give a whoot about what’s going on. Until of course when one of your children comes home from summer camp with a disease which may affect them the rest of their life. We need more money put into finding good vaccines even if they are only partially effective AND we need to find a way to drastically lower the population of all ticks. Might not be easy but this thing is going to bite us all in the posterior if we don’t recognize the extent of the problem we already have.
Actually, it is not deer who are the greatest hosts for the ticks. It is mice and other small animals. ………https://www.wideopenspaces.com/know-opossums-eat-virtually-ticks-yard/
Living in an area (Southern VT) that has seen the influx of TBD (tick borne diseases) from virtually nothing to endemic over the past 25+ years I would urge folks to pay particular attention to your comment regarding mice and other smaller vectors. Certainly deer, birds and other warm blooded creatures are also known to be hosts.
One of the ways we humans can impact this cycle is the use of either commercial or homemade “tick tubes”. These tubes are filled with permethrin treated cotton batting and distributed for mice to take from as bedding for their nests, thereby treating that family to a tick-killing lair.
I’d also offer this observation and my own theory; the increase in Fox population in our area has lead to a very noticeable DEcrease in squirrel and chipmunk numbers. I do believe Mother Nature can and does play an important part in offering some controls, much in the same way as a severe winter will cut down on deer herd populations.
YES the increase in ticks due to climate change. The ticks and their hosts are not being killed off during the deep freezes of winter, and the season for reproduction is longer.
I have read this article and a couple things come to mind. As a Microbiologist prior to attending Med. School, I have some expertise and understanding at the level of the microbiology put forth. As a physician, I look at things with a slightly different perspective. The issue of the vaccine not treating all strains of the Borrelia sp. is not likely known (positive or negative). As one of the commentors explained the ILADS Group has identified a series of different organisms that cause similar symptoms (sxs) but would NOT be covered with as specific a vaccine as proposed and are NOT treated with the same form of treatment, e.g., Babesia would best respond to Metronidazole which would NOT treat Borrelia, etc. The “Anti-vaccine” group seems to offer an argument that making the choice to NOT vaccinate endangers an unsuspecting group when it only really endangers those NOT vaccinated and that was a choice that the responsible party for those children need to address. The rest of the population can be vaccinated by CHOICE and should not be at risk. Whether this is the most appropriate approach is up for discussion and decision making. To sum this up, why not work against the known understanding that much is NOT known and issues may occur that look like mistakes but really may only be a reflection of the Newness and current Lack of Knowledge in this area. After all, Louis Pasteur was considered a charlatan by his contemporaries until van Leeuwenhoek came up with a device for looking at the micro organisms that Louis described. Koch came along with a series of Postulates that would establish a “cause and effect” relationship to seal the deal. We need to move ahead in some fashion as there are a huge number of people that are effected by a “complex” pathogenic system and the desire to look at it “too close to determine what we see” or ignore it because of adverse outcome is not in the patient’s best interest. Add to this part of the issue the CDC’s reliance on a set of diagnostic criteria that guarantees a huge series of “False Negatives”, we need to be more aggressive in this area.
Your observation that “Louis Pasteur was considered a charlatan by his contemporaries until van Leeuwenhoek came up with a device for looking at the micro organisms that Louis described.” has one problem: van Leeuwenhoek died in 1723, 99 years before Pasteur was born. Pasteur was well aware of microorganisms, as were his contemporaries. Pasteur’s contributions included proving that microorganisms reproduced and were not generated spontaneously and showing that weakened microorganisms, used as a vaccine, could provide specific protection against disease caused by a more robust form of the same microbe.
Agree ,false negatives needs to be main issue to catch in time to treat ….OR ….just treat it can’t hurt !
I moved to the country in 1999, I asked my doctor for the Lyme vaccine and he told me not to bother with it. 1) it’s expensive. 2) you need multiple shots. 3) Lyme disease can be tested for. 4) If you get it it can be cured. So I never got the vaccine.
Your doctor is like most doctors on the subject of Lyme. A complete and utter idiot.
i agree about the doctors that ignore, lie and walk away from sick people. i have seen them all. They are worse than idiots. They are living a lie. They know that these lyme sick people are handicapped in mental and physical terms, and yet they ignore them. i have even had a doctor raise his voice at me for helping another ill person. Healthcare is not to help others anymore. It is for making money. Yes, I would like to hear in laymens terms, why the lyme vaccine did not work. also, I’d like to hear why the CDC changed the definition of lyme on the lyme tests, leaving out approx. 85% of the people sick with lyme in 1992.
The LIMErix vaccine contains 500ug of aluminum adjuvant, as much as Gardasil 9. Gardasil 9 causes more injuries than any other vaccine. It’s entirely possible that the injuries caused by LIMErix are due to its direct neurotoxicity, not to induced auto-immune illness. For more info on aluminum toxicity in vaccines, see vaccinepapers.org (complete with full-text copies of the peer-reviewed research it cites).
Oh, the old “aluminium” issue again? Shake your head! In the US you now have an outbreak of measles, because your “ilk” has been trying to convince everyone that inoculations of any type are bad!
Additionally, and not pertaining to your comments: The issue of Lyme Disease has been totally blown out of reality! 30,000 diagnosed cases in 2017??? So what?? More people expire from squeezing a zit! I have had the classic “bulls eye” twice, and a third time without the sign, but the tick was right there on my scrotum, had to have my better half take a picture of it so I could see it! The female Doctor literally shrieked (I took it in in an empty pill bottle) then she had to get on the phone for half an hour to find out that I needed one antibiotic tablet! We stopped on the way home, at the local Veterinarian, he dumped it out on the counter and said: “Yep, that’s a black-legged deer tick.” After my first encounter, my Doctor put me on Minocycline, (a type of tetracycline) for a year, many years ago. All hype (Lyme Disease) verging on mental instability!
I personally was permanently crippled by a series of vaccines. The one common ingredient in all of them was aluminum. But i am unable to find out the hard way! From now on, I have absolutely no faith in any vaccine. I am more frightened of the vaccines that I am all of the disease.
Now all the naysayers have to also recognize that Lyme disease is only one section of the nasty tick bite. There is a second hidden virus/bacterium involved that closely mimics Lyme. That has only recently been discovered ( within the last 3 years) and was totally unknown in the 2002 and before era. Symptoms & effects are similar. I remember that a blood test for Lyme back then was only about 50% accurate as well, and getting a doc to prescribe same was like pulling teeth. A year ago I lost a friend to complication’s of Lyme.
why don,t health insurer believe that lyme desease is a desease?
I got the vaccine in 2000, worked in deer tick habitat for years without getting infected. Maybe I was just lucky, but the vaccine seemed effective to me, and I’m certainly better off than my colleagues who got Lyme.
they did this to hiv victims too. said it didn’t exist till they came up with vaccine. tens of thousands are suffering in the dark right now with diagnosis but denial from a committee that decides how they will define a disease based on a failed vaccine that hurt a lot of people in experimental phase. its cover up cover up until a multimillion dollar market/pantent can be pulled from the pocket. they see a market, the american people, but will not allow the diagnosis and cure for those who have suffered for years if not decades. its a travesty.
Laura, what are you talking about. There is no vaccine currently or previously available for HIV. Some are entering human trial phases now and there have been tremendous advances in medication to treat and prevent.
Do you mean people who were part of a trial became ill or were denied other treatment while in the trial?
Jane, your argument–“Lymerix did not work without bad side effects, therefore no Lyme disease vaccine will ever work” is illogical to the extreme. And all your statements following that opening salvo in your post go to the safety/efficacy of Lymerix, and nothing else.
The article clearly discusses how the current vaccine being studied works differently than Lymerix and “protects against the six most common strains in the northern hemisphere, including those in Europe.” There are more than 300 strains of Lyme? Great–if the current vaccine being studied knocks out the six most common strains, then someone else can start tackling some of those other strains.
Maybe the new vaccine will be great, and maybe it won’t be. That’s what clinical studies are designed to suss out. If this one doesn’t work, I hope scientists will continue to look for a safe and efficacious vaccine. Arguing that no one should ever try to develop a vaccine to prevent a disease to which millions of people are susceptible is just ludicrous.
If lyme disease is a parasitic bacteria, like syphilis, how can they make a vaccine? Are there other vaccines for parasitic bacterial infections?
It’s not correct to say almost everyone knows someone who has been infected. The fact is, almost everyone has been infected, many of us more than once.
Angela, you are right! I live in North East Pa.and this area has the highest rate of tick born diseases in the country. People who haven’t been affected by ticks are in the minority.I got the shots years ago with no ill affects. Recently I was bitten and sent the tick away to be tested. It came back positive for Babesiosis, I had the bulls eye and yet I did NOT get sick….Yet our dogs have all had tick diseases, and my husband now has a pace maker from Lyme..He has had it 2x….We just do not understand this awful thing!
We need all the help we can get here! 😩
I got the Lymerix vaccine back in ’99-’00 and didn’t have a solid bm for 3 years. Had to give up running due to knee pain.
This post is not anti-vaxx- it is anti-Lyme vaccine so please read WHY a vaccine won’t work for #Lyme. I wish it would! Try to give the benefit of the doubt here and read for yourself.
1st, there are 300 strains of Lyme and the vaccine only covers 1. Understand history of dangerous Lyme vaccine LYMERix that was pulled from market for injuring so many and know that the next gen will be similar. Many experts in the field agree the new Lyme vaccine (Valneva) will be equally dangerous and useless due to similar mechanism of action.
NOTE: LYMERix was pulled for injuring hundreds of patients–not for “low demand”, and not because of “anti-vaxxers.” It was hastily pulled after damning U.S. Food and Drug Administration hearings with vaccine experts and patient testimony (see below). Some are permanently disabled. The PR story was that it was pulled for “low demand.” That is false. See below data for the real story. Lyme vaccine will not cover all 300 strains of Lyme and it will not cover arguably worse infections (Bartonella, RMSF, Babesia, Powassan etc) transmitted by ticks and other vectors.
1) Pamela Weintraub, The bitter feud over LYMErix: Big pharma takes on the wrong little Osp 2001:
2) Summary of 2002 meeting between Lyme Disease Association and FDA on LYMERix
Note in particular the comments of Donalds H Marks MD, PhD who was director of Lyme vaccine program for Aventis Pasteur, formerly Pasteur Merieux Connaught, the producer of the other Lyme vaccine (also OspA-based) that was never pushed to market. Despite phase 3 efficacy data (published in New Eng J Med in 1998, same issue as Steere et al’s report on LYMERix), the company quietly ended its Lyme vaccine program after LYMERix side effects came to light.
3) Marks DH Neurological complications of vaccination with outer surface protein A (OspA) Int J Risk Safety in Medicine 2011:
4) Latov N et al Neuropathy and cognitive impairment following vaccination with OspA protein of B burgdorferi J Periph Nervous System 2004:
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