The hate groups deplore all the advances society has made since the classical era. Christianity and Enlightenment combined to finally abolish slavery and bring women up to something close to an equal footing with men. The Sermon on the Mount and the Declaration of Independence introduced the radical notions that all men are created equal (without regard to racial origin) and have inherent rights, and the Christian church required its missionaries to go and preach to ALL nations because members of all nations are equally welcome to join the church. Anyone can become an American and anyone can become a Christian. This is a radically generous invitation not to be found in any of the classic texts of Aristotle, Plato, Cicero, etc. Everyone is important; everyone can potentially be saved, and everyone can become part of a functioning representative democracy in a system that allows freedom of religion but does not require any religious belief The haters want to take all this freedom away and impose the balls and chains of ideology, gender, and racial origin. They want to create a new Dark Age peopled by restless tribes at odds with one another and and immersed in unending strife and mayhem. Against all this, I say we need a new culture and civilization, one founded on responsible ecology and respect for life itself in all forms. The new culture can draw on the improvements Christianity and Enlightenment brought but must be mostly self-fashioned and must include women as equals and put a stop to the destruction of the planet Reading the old classic texts will not supply most of the answers but can serve as a reminder of what not to do.
Thank your for this. We ethnic Hellenes appreciate your efforts.
The desire to demonize the Classics comes from a dark place, a desire to tear down what makes humanity great, and hate, rather than love “philo” the wisdom “sophy” of the ancients (philosophy).
The enemies of the Sacred Feminine sought to call the most extreme manifestation of toxic masculinity (the terrorist groups literally destroying the ancient world in the Middle East, the so called Islamic State) ISIS; Isis is the name of the Mother Goddess “the holy Mother” in ancient times, the mother of God in Christianity. They do this, call something it’s opposite in order to destroy it. They called a terrorist group “Isis” in order to harm and destroy the Sacred Feminine.
Now the enemies of Love of Light, philosophy and that which lifts humanity up and out of darkness, are seeking to do the same thing to the Classics. They want to label Classical studies as its opposite. Classical Studies solidified into what it is, and the Corpus Hermetica was codified in Alexandria with a reverence for all races and cultures. The Classics is about finding the best that humanity and the human mind can offer and create. Don’t let those with hate in their heart tell you any different. The Classics are the solution, Love of wisdom is the solution, not the problem.
I’m from an English-literate family in a postcolonial Asian country, so I grew up with some general knowledge of and appreciation for classical Greek and Roman civilisations and their mythology. But when I went to college in the USA it really struck me how OBSESSED conservative American white guys tend to be with classical civilisation. Nice to see that some scholars are tackling this both as a phenomenon on itself and also in terms of refuting some of the distortions and misinterpretations that the right-wingers are putting on classical history.
I took a course in college titled Women in Classical Antiquity. I was also a big fan of the Rome TV series. But you’d have to be a horrible person to want Western civilisation to revert to that.
The problem with moral lectures by people like Donna Zuckerberg is they are unprincipled. Some people like to complain about ethnonationalism when minorities in other states– complain about how they are being treated as second class citizens in other states — then switch ideological tunes with what they view as their own homelands where they stay virtually dead silent about institutionalized ethnonationalism.
Donna is a perfect example of this. She doesn’t say a peep about ethnonationalism in Israel —hypocrisy that leads to antisemetism.. Nazis argued that Jews work to undermine the ethnic character of other states for Jewish national interests. How sad it is that Mrs. Zuckerberg decided to meet this antisemetic trope. Argue pluralism in other countries — stay silent about ethnonationalism in israel .
And if anyone points out her hypocrisy they are framed as “antisemitic”. She seems to be a Jewish version of white nationalism but frames as “human rights”.. Which way it is going to be Donna? Pluralism in Israel like you advocate for other states 00 ethnonationalist Jewish defined state? Don’t you think you should look in the mirror more closely before lecturing others too loudly?.
What actual antisemites don’t get is that Jewish minorities are not alone prone to behaving in this unprincipled fashion. It’s a game played globally by virtually every ethnic group. Cry persecution when one is a minority in some other state. Quietly oppress minorities in the home country.
The truth is most people want to have an ethnic homeland (with a few civic nationalist states exceptions).The problem is ethnonationalist states have a conflict between democracy and keeping the demographics of the state intact (as minorities can one day outnumber majority if pure democracy).. We can’t even have an adult honest discussion about resolving this issue in fair fashion for all without billions of hypocrites crying persecution. Donna you are part of the problem not the solution. You want to have your cake and eat it too.
I’m glad to see other thinking people waking up to what is going on. John Derbyshire once said, “If there is any hope, it lies in the comments section.” (It is no wonder so many liberal sites did away with article comments altogether in the last few years. There’s quite the chasm between our enlightened elites who tell us what to think and the filthy proles who haven’t yet mastered the art of goodthink.)
This attack on classic history is a deliberate effort to rob whites of their heritage. At WORST, the notion of the classic world being an progenitor to the modern European civilization which coincidentally occupies its same continent, speaks related languages, has clearly similar laws and culture, and has similar-looking people to it is a founding myth.
No one cares to refute founding myths of most tribes or nations–so what’s wrong with a founding “myth” that gives white people roots and identity? Similarly, no one is telling Arabs, Chinese, Mayans, Aztecs, Egyptians, Jews, Japanese, or Polynesians that their ancient histories are “not actually theirs,” “more diverse than they like to acknowledge,” “a social construct,” or “are being appropriated by extremists and Certified Haters,” even though, with a little bit of evidence and a lot of postmodern claptrap, such claims could be leveled at all those civilizations by anyone with a vendetta against them.
That’s the thing–who has the vendetta and why?
Its not just extremists on the right that can be racist.. some on the left can be racist too.
One look no further than all those that claim to support “human rights” on the right that spit on ethnic Greeks by ridiculously recognizing former Yugoslavians as “ethnic” Macedonians. This is akin to recognizing Hams as “ethnic” Maccabees. To add insult to injury virtually to a man most people around the globe play stupid as half the former Yugoslavians attempt to narrate themselves into antihellenic founders of the Hellenistic period.
The truth is choice of political ideology does not make one immune from making bad moral choices or free one from having prejudices towards others. Just different targets.
So interesting. Especially the parallel to Nazi Germany. If the Book of Revelation is an encoded observation of resistance to the Greco Roman Empire then it was indeed a place of isms and its achievements no matter how impressive were built on the backs of poor and enslaved people and only the privileged had access to its great pillars. After all the Caesars were gods and I would have been considered an atheist.
Antiochus: Spouts off far right talking points without even addressing any of the things mentioned in the article and insists that cultures who had a large impact on brown people in North Africa and the Middle East are only “white heritage”
Antiochus is dead wrong. The Middle East and North Africa, among others, are heavily linked with classic civilization as well. The Byzantine Empire in parts of the Middle East, the Persian Empire in, well, Persia, and Carthage being in North Africa and heavily influenced by it are just three examples. The Founding Fathers and parts of Lebanese nationalism are linked to ideas from the cultures mentioned above, so they’re linked to far more things then just fascist, racist, and bigoted stuff. So, it is actually the “yours” mentioned by Antiochus, and historians, as detailed in this article, agree.
The whining and moral signaling in this article are pathetic. The classical world is the foundation of the west, and its ideals are linked to fascist aesthetics and philosophy. National socialism was Germanic hellenism. It is ours, it will never be yours, get over it.
Not seeing any whining at all in the article not sure why you could not give us an example.This could be the fact your using a Germatic based language that is hard to explain classical thought in or at least that would have been what your ancient Roman or Greek would have said. If the west’s foundation was classical, then even more so would be the Middle East and North Africa who culture is in direct decent from classic roots. Not sure where you are getting that NAZI’s were Hellenic, once again no evidence in your reply. Because it was reduced to rubble 12 years after if was founded might be time for you to get over that. Everything I have studied in the history of the Nazi’s said they were in awe of Rome and seem to dispise the Hellenic. The Nazi’s would commit major atrociies in Greece during their occupation not seeing how that would make them admirers of the Greeks or their decendants
The slaving, warmongering, rapine history of Rome and Greece that is the template for the plundering of this planet and its peoples is all yours Antiochus, all yours! You and your kind will definitely be answerable for the murders, the torture, the thieving, and ostentatious display of your joy in it, which is the cherry-picked so-called histories and relics of your kind. Keep revealing yourself. So. Helpful. For. The. Future. Peoples.
I have always been both fascinated and horrified by the Greco-Roman era. The rampant slaughter, widespread slavery, and so many other cruelties make these “civilizations” seem far less than civil to me. We have a chance to build something so much better, but I feel we are failing miserably.
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