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Which Equivalence Principle are you referring to? The Equivalence Principle of Special Relativity states that “all laws of special relativity hold locally, regardless of the kind of matter involved”. Is that the one? The Equivalence Principle of General Relativity is “the equivalence of gravitational and inertial mass, and Albert Einstein’s observation that the gravitational ‘force’ as experienced locally while standing on a massive body is the same as the pseudo-force experienced by an observer in a non-inertial frame of reference”. Maybe you meant that one? There is also one in Soviet economics: “the principle according to which a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another. The principle of equivalence constitutes the internal basis of exchange proportions when exchange corresponds to the expenditure of socially necessary working time.” I don’t really see how any of those is relevant to the question of the causes of global heating.
It is definitely not the case that the largest part of climatic warming is due to solar variation. For instance, “The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth’s global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum,” said Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder. “The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012.” Did you see that “0.1 degree Celsius”? There is no reason to think that there is any time correlation between warming and cooling caused by solar activity and any other source, so we should expect to see a roughly sinusoidal temperature variation with a period of about 11 years and peak-to-peak amplitude of 0.1-0.2 C superimposed on the graph of global temperature change due to other sources. Since the global temperature is now approximately 0.8 C higher than the value 100 years ago, there is no way solar variation can explain more than a small fraction of the change.
Yet another disingenuous bandwagoner who refuses to tell us why the believes that the Svensmark-Veizer-Shaviv theory is not a vastly better explanation of climate change than the CO2 theory, nor does he even publicly acknowledge the existence of this alternative (and superior) explanation. Propagandists who are too low and unethical to discuss alternative theories forthrightly, or even to acknowledge that they exist, are unworthy of my time and attention.
The change of climate or any in this vast universe of our witnessing day after day any way and the earth we all live prosper in our senses . What it say that mankind depends on nature that is not within our reach or control . We live at the mercy’s of might unknown or unseen unimaginable still it is will be . Our problem is thinking loudly that we are play tools of a great vast unending universe nit knowable fully but struggling to find out the reality beyond our scope . Can we find or stranger then fiction wonder of universe remain as it is changing every moment beyond our reach or even understanding .
But we are here to continue living as long totally vanished as black hole? What more to say . My
@ Ronnie Childs, we idd have sold slaves, as did the Egyptians and many other cultures, even today women are sold as (sex) slaves from certain parts of the world and work in e.g. Europe. Those are horrible facts. Another horrible fact is the selling of your own people, and that is what African tribes did. They were the sellers, they hunted fellow men and sold them. The Dutch were transporters, fulfilling a need at that time. What also shocked me was an article of Ella Fitzgerald, stating when she traveled to Europe she was flabbergasted about the freedom she felt and had in this part of the world. “I was shocked” and “happy” when she e.g. didn’t have to go into a certain train wagon for the colored, or eat at a certain counter etc etc. Something with pot and kettle…right!?
The earth warms, and the earth cools. It’s a natural cycle, probably multiple overlapping cycles, that we still don’t understand. In the grand scheme of things, warming (it’s no where near and not even projected to be warmer than in multiple times in the past) is a whole lot better than an ice age.
Accept it, climate change will continue. Humans will continue striving to make their lives better. If I am better off living in a polluted city, where the pollution affects me directly, why would I worry about the world’s climate change if I don’t care/ act about the pollution affecting me directly in my home city? CO2 levels will double to 560 or 820 in my lifetime, deal with reality, the desire of people to improve their condition.
There is an article in the Washington Post today about the upcoming 400th anniversary of the first enslaved African people coming to North America. It seems they arrived in 1619 in a Dutch ship. To be fair it was a pirate ship, and I have no idea to the extent, if any, that their activities were sanctioned by the Dutch government but it makes sense: If traditional economic and agricultural means aren’t working out, go out and expand your opportunities and sell slaves. That just might allow your country to prosper even during tough times.
This is priceless. The period to which the author refers saw the birth and growth of the Dutch empire overseas. The Dutch did well during the Little Ice Age? Undoubtedly they did. Their trade expanded marvelously as country after country fell to its colonization and subsequent mercantilism. But do preach.
In order to impoverish others and spread misery among the vast majority of people……. impose socialism. More people have been killed at the hands of their government seeking to impose socialist utopia in which a few control the levers of power forcing “fairness” on the rest.
The pages of climate change history are limited and AGW proponents would like to keep it that way. The only way for them to win their arguments are to declare their opponents don’t believe in climate change. Quite the contrary.
In studying the 300,000 years of Homo sapiens, I hear some scientists are keeping a eye out for any chemical indicators of earlier developed civilizations in ice and sediment cores.
Other scientists are confident that by mid 2019, it should become evident whether another Little Ice Age is in process as the Solar sunspot cycle continues a downward trend. Throw a few large volcanic eruptions and it might get quite cold for decades.
0.12 not 9.12
i have seen up to 9.12 degree cause by Carbon dioxide and methane from human sources. Still it is a very small part of the 1.3 degree rise.
It is insane to ignore the fact the the US leads in reducing Carbon dioxide production. They are far ahead of the plans in the accords and are continuing onward. Meanwhile the Chinese are increasing carbon dioxide hand over fist. As for climatic change we could rise another degree and a half and overall the world would benefit. It is after that things become chancy. Finally Carbon dioxide is actually only a small part of climatic warming. Mush of it is from urbanization and deforestation, and the largest part so far has been solar variation. The world is going to warm. We MUST adapt.
civiletti, I wish you were wrong, but I’m cynical enough to think that many people will think it’s a good strategy.
Man causes .034 F warming from CO2 emissions.
A little more than 3/100 of a degree, Farenheit.
That’s the most accurate research based on new understandings of this complex, though hardly significant issue.
The debate, or propagated fraud, was put to rest with the publishing of a paper definitively disproving the claims.
The Equivalence Principal forever ends all discussions.
What is now important is the investigation into this titantic fraud and severe, permanent punishment for these dispicable lying thieves.
Read the Equivalence Principle and tge Carbin 14 link which finally puts this corruption jail.
“What lessons can we learn from the Dutch in adapting to present-day climate change?”
In order to prosper capitalize on the misfortune of others. See “The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism” by Naomi Klein.