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For readers here, please help debunk “backup paper ballots” language circulating today (like by Sen Klobuchar and the media). Use term “computer ballots” instead. Based on this logic:
1 backup paper ballots” r machine output & should be called “computer ballots”
2. “backup” term is falsely pacifying
3. “computer ballot” “paper ballot”
In France we use paper, people get together and count the ballots, they oversee each other. There is very little fraud…sometimes a corrupt official plays Jesus and gets the dead to vote but this Gogolian stunt is rare. There are people in the US who cannot be convinced that their expensive machines will not solve but rather deepen the problem. And this despite the testimony of such knowledgeable people as professor Lee. 150 million dollars indeed. Georgia desperately needs the money elsewhere. Paper ballots, counted by real human beings, it works, it’s inexpensive, it’s all so human.
I’m a computer scientist, and I think the only way you could have secure voting system via computer is every single voter was issued a token, and RSA Seure ID token before they voted, which they keep. Of course people would lose them, so still not a good solution. However, if every electronic ballet was digitally signed with the RSA token then it could, in theory be secure. The problem becomes with the electronic ballots. I would expect there to be local computer systems that would store everything locally, then transported to the main election hqs for final counting.
However, I don’t think it is reasonable to expect that even this system could be compromised. I like the hand filled out ballot, like cards, that are then scanned into a machine and the hand ballots are kept in a secure box sepearte from the machine. Maryland used this method for years. I think it works. Then the local machines that tabulate the results, and the physical ballots can sepeartely be transported to a HQS where both are tabulated again, and compared. Only then are the final results uploaded into the main computer (standalone only!), for final tabulation.
Tokenization is indeed one approach scientists are developing; though, its in the form of blockchains.
Nevertheless, the problem is larger than we think. The available voting machines in the market rely on a proprietary technology that was built in the 90s: not suited (nor designed) with today’s infrastructure like the internet, tokens, even a printer (for paper ballot/trail)…
We need to think out-of-the-box and come up with a better solution.
I have been studying this issue since the seventies. There was NO known solution using electronic devices back then, and NO solutions have been published, and NO design that is safe for voting has ever been proposed by anyone anywhere.
I read the entirety of the “security guidelines” produced by NIST, and they are worthless–I pity the obviously very junior person who got the job of writing up that nonsense. The only thing we have so far are machines that are GUARANTEED to be unsafe for use in an election, and the sale of such a device for that purpose is prima-facie evidence of criminal conduct–the manufacturers know these machines are not capable of producing a correct result. because this is still an UNSOLVED problem in Computer Science. DO NOT ALLOW THE USE OF THESE THINGS if you desire or expect to see a free and fair election ever again.
Looking at the map of who uses these things (shown in purple) you can see the problem we already have. No offense to the people in those states–not your fault–someone has clearly been tampering and will do so again. Take back the vote. Get rid of those machines. Your freedom and ours depends on you.
In New Jersey the old mechanical machines there is still one in Hudson County had visible counters and hidden counters and a big roll of paper which recorded each vote cast on the machine which could be unrolled and a visual count of the vote could be made if the need arose during a recount. The machines were decommissioned for modern technology which has none of these protections. An inspection of the current machines is worthless because all you can do is print out a slip which has the results but if someone tampered with the computer that prints those results or even just the printer to print out results favorable to your candidate there is no paper trail. For those following this issue and concerned go to the Hudson County Board of Elections and check out the machine (the last one existing, I believe) and copy that mechanical voting machine.
Does is really matter? In 2015-2016 Hillary Clinton cheated Bernie Sanders out of the DEMOCRAT primary nomination using DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz and SUPER-DELEGATES. Hillary did not even campaign and won a majority. The voting machines DID NOT MATTER… Bernie has a majority of the votes. The DNC prevented then Democratic contender Donald Trump from entering the Democratic Primary. Donald Trump then fled to the Republican primary and won to later become the President over Hillary Clinton in the GENERAL ELECTION.
Wow good reply, An article about the taking of and tallying of votes and security issues all made pointless and irrelevant by one political genius on the internet.
JK my point is your comment is wildly off topic out of bounds and pointless, recognize the article and its comments section have little do do with larger political events. It’s only a micro view of one aspect of the process, but then you seem fairly aware and smart already without me needing to explain the obvious, thus it follows your reasoning and rationale on the political tangent must be well informed and considered. So i guess what we have determined here is i should start parroting whoever you are parroting and we can all be a bunch of birdbrains. (Malice intended only to murder obvious idiocy)
I guess it doesn’t matter when you try to take apart a big mechanism and fix individual portions when real progressive political types can come along and say nothing matters abandon all hope effort and discussion. Sounds like some sort of anti-patriotic give up and roll over self hate speech to me. One of the real problems with modern politics. People like that who can be led misled and confused so easily that the obvious become a secret self defeating message probably from the CIA broadcast into fillings.
This article is certainly bringing out valid points to be concerned about. The ability to have code that operates and then erases itself was obvious to student programmers back in 1970, and things have certainly come a long way since then. But the option of controlling results still appeals to many government people, and a really good sales person can sell the uninformed almost anything, and so some groups love that touch screen because it is so very easy to clean, and it leaves no trace. Paper ballots marked by hand are rather more difficult to manipulate, and thus a much more secure arrangement.
They first should have everyone that wants to vote produce ID. Either a drivers license or passport. Then sign a register next to their name. They would have had to register before the deadline if they wanted to vote. If not registered they couldn’t vote.
Then use paper ballots and place them in a sealed box through a opening observed by a law enforcement officer. After the voting booth is closed have that officer accompanied with another officer take the ballots to wherever they are to be counted.
All this would be under strict supervision. This would be done by each town in all the districts.
Well, if there are any broken parts you didn’t put in there, they must have been in the pralines you’re eating.
An important aspect of election officials’ endorsing electronic voting systems is their cozy relationships with the system vendors. Besides offering other emoluments, vendors regularly treat state officials to lavish vacation “conventions” and expensive entertainments. State election officials have been appointed to vendors’ corporate boards and have appeared in vendor advertising materials. If that doesn’t create a huge conflict of interest for those state officials who determine how (if) our votes are counted, I do not know what would!