“The mammoths and heath hens of the past can wait.”
Indeed they can.
As the saying goes, “You are dead a long time.”
Two does not equal three, even for large values of two. The current de-extinction movement is coming from different people with very different motives than the mid-20th C. efforts. To conflate them to what end?
Ms. O’Connor’s argument is essentially one of allocation of resources: Until we’ve assured the continued existence of species alive today, focus all resources on preservation rather than de-extinction. If we all lived together in a petri dish, that might be feasible. But the world is very large and many humans very rich, well able to support many different lines of scientific research at the same time. Both the author (probably) and myself (certainly) believe strongly that more resources should be invested in slowing and stopping the present great extinction. The way to do that is not by discouraging other areas of inquiry (it won’t happen) but by continually coming up with new arguments and data to pry “resources” (love that euphemism) from the pockets of the 1% who own 50% of the world.
The article and journalist who wrote it are utterly missing the point of Rewiliding in a modern sense and makes the assumption that rewiliding would go ahead at the expense of or detriment of extant species. She’s choosing to focus on one, poorly devised attempt at breeding a wild phenotype back into cattle, that happened to fit into the twisted fairytale of a Germanic past that top Nazis dreamed of, utterly ignoring the fact that restoring ecological processes that will benefit extant species is one of the key goals of rewiliding. The animals themselves are large and charismatic, so yes, they carry a certain appeal and having them or close relatives back would be an awe inspiring sight but in one sense they are only tools to increase ecosystem complexity and therefore increase the biodiversity and health of said ecosystem. Rewiliding is NOT about setting back the clock to some arbitrary point in time and trying to recreate that ecosystem, it’s about reinvigorating the truncated ecosystems that humanity has created.
She’s also completely overlooking the fact that rewiliding could be the saving grace for many extant species, giving the potential for insurance populations and vast range expansions in habitat once occupied by similar species, with the additional benefits of restoring and reinvigorating historical ecological processes and relationships between native species and introduced megafauna.
Extremely myopic way to look at it.
NAZI’s are the Alt-Left you imbicile.Wikipedia & Google changed the definition of Facism.
If You stand with the NAZI LGBTQ and the Treansgender agenda or the Facist Left-Wing you deserve what you get,.
Hogwash and historical revisionism. The Nazis were always far-right, and they were obsessed with erasure of LGBTQ+ people. The only imbecile here is YOU.
Um, does “national socialism” mean anything to you? Also known as naziism. Socialism is a leftist ideology. You are patently wrong.
And the People’s Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy. Sure.
National Socialism (Nazism) is Fascism which is Alt-Right, Socialism is Alt-Left. Yes that one word (National) makes all the difference…
Science will tell you it’s possible; English majors will tell you why it’s a really bad idea. Hasn’t anyone read Jurassic Park?
I see a remarkable parallel between the Nazis and our society today in the politicization of science to the goal of harnessing its’ results for the furtherment of a particular side’s agenda. The Nazis as a party took the concept of resurrecting an extinct species and attached to it the significance of racial purity and the ostensibly original example of Teutonic power.
Today we see the same in claims of one group being “Science Deniers” in one particular field of study and ignoring the science in another field which does not support their political goals. We as a society have attached political significance to what is, in essence, a tool, that being science, as if the tool itself has meaning outside its’ usefulness as a means of discovery.
We already did this in the Rocky Mountain West in the U.S. 15 years ago they reintroduced Wolves into Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Depending on who you ask, there may have been an error in the genetic coding and science of the reintroduction program. The wolves populated abnormally fast, and started decimating the Elk herds. So, in 2009 they simply opened them up for hunting and harvesting. They are however very timid, and intelligent, and extremely difficult to hunt. Probably wasn’t the best idea. Who knows. Cheers.
Really the Wolf’s ? Yes there were some environmental changes in the early stages of reintroduction. To date none of those exist anymore and that train of thought is so 2010. The Wolf reintroduction into Yellow Stone has put things back as they should be and better environmentally.
I think the historic aurochs had horns pointing forward.
The Nazis are convenient whipping toys for those who fail to note that so much of our culture and science is derived from the Romans, who were little more admirable.
As a child I was raised with a fascination with regard to mammoths/dinosaurs etc. Visiting the tar pits and such…for family outings. As an adult…I would stand with our scientists that are conducting research in the area of genetics and cloning, Church and his ilk etc. I would choose to be optimistic with regard to our future. I do like the debate as it is interesting. The Nazi tie ins are kinda weird…but so is a lot of our past. Let us face it all and debate it and then do some cool stuff where it makes sense. Life is meant to be exciting so let’s not close doors out of fear of the darkness from our past. Let us figure out the ethics of it all and move forward. Let’s bring some of the animals back if we can! Let’s pick the right ones…the ones that would add value to our lives. These people are my hero’s (George etc.) in a way…I may be in my fifties now…but there is a part of me that is still a young dreamer. Go for it! Perhaps the focus it brings to saving and recovering the best of our environment would pay for itself ten times over. I choose to believe it might.
There is no connection between the Aurochs and the Nazi’s like you present in this article.
The Heck brothers started out in 1927, about 3 years before there was some form of organized Nazi party and 6 years before the Nazi’s came to power.
Goering picked up the Aurochs story, only because he was a fervent hunter, not because he saw Aryan super cows. Only in 1938 were some of the Heck cattle released in Rominter Heide nature reserve. Hitler probably didn’t even know (properly) about the Heck initiative.
By the way, in the same period this thing happened all over Europe, with the Konik pony in Poland and the Sorraia horse in Portugal. I guess we should get rid of those horses too?
The Heck brothers being part of the Nazi party doesn’t mean anything. There was no other choice in that time.
I wrote a book (published) about a resistance hero in the Netherlands. The fact that he was a member of the German Kulturkammer in the Nazi period was also just a way to survive.
And even if they would have been Nazi’s… so what? Should we stop driving Volkswagen as well? What a 2-dimensional correlation to make and to try to politicize animals. Common’
Are the two ideas mutually exclusive? And who are you to decide of what we shall do or not?
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