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When I was growing up in the 1950s, I had a wonderful 6th grade teacher named Arthur H. Griffee. He told our class about the dangers of air pollution and the harmful affects of burning coal. He told us there was no such thing as a clean white shirt in the city of Pittsburg , PA or the surrounding area because of smoke and ash from coal fired industry.
He also told us about man’s insignificance in influencing the events of nature in the world. He said mankind took on more importance of their actions in assuming they alone could change the earth’s environment. As an example, he explained all of humanity in 1958 totaling about four billion people could be placed in a box one mile high, one mile wide and one mile long. Then, this box could be lowered into the Grand Canyon. If you stood at the edge of the canyon rim, you could see the box of humanity, but if you stepped back 50 feet from the rim, you could not see the box at all.
Now, some 60 years later, the size of the box would have to be doubled to a mile high, a mile wide and two miles long . However, the same would apply as to standing back 50 feet from the canyon rim. You could not see the box containing earth’s humanity.
He also told us about the Russians exploding a hydrogen bomb near the North Pole in 1958. The following winter in 1959, the Baltic Sea froze over from coast to coast throughout all of Scandinavia. This was the first time this had happened in 900 years, and I might add, it has never happened since.
So, I assume the Russians came to learn atomic bombs detonated above ground in the atmosphere can affect weather. To my knowledge, they have ceased all such detonations long ago.
Peter, an elecated CO2 level will make an ice age *worse*. Rising CO2 is disrupting the ocean currents pretty severely , and if an ice age comes (And theres no evidence for that at all), by distrupting the hot and cold flows in the ocean the mechanisms that stop us turning into antarctica are thwarted.
And yes, Scientists know exactly how to live post fossil fuel. Solar, Electric, Wind, you name it. And yes there might still be a little still used but we know how to get that figure so low it doesnt matter anymore.
What about ice ages? they usually occur at intervals of 10,000 years approx. We are currently well overdue; if there is another one we will be glad of the co2. These doom spreading scientists are all very well; none of them have any suggestions how our civilisation can continue without fossil fuels. This is a far more important field but there seems to be scant progress
Actually climate science was funded by the United States government much earlier when they gave Roger Revelle and Charles David Keeling money to study the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere… in 1957.
The first American I know of to study the climate was Thomas Chamberlin but I don’t know if he was funded by the US government. He published in 1899 about how CO2 could change the climate.
Millions of Americans have convinced themselves that all these global climate change warnings must be part of a massive conspiracy scheme run by ‘globalists’ and money-hungry scientists. It has become quite fashionable to believe such things among certain segments of this population. It also brings joy to them to join with like-minded believers. These folks choose to source most of their information from sites specifically set up to reenforce their deeply entrenched worldview and political leanings. They have become convinced that all the countering information is subversive and therefore not worth examining. This is a bit like some cult leaders telling their followers that outside influences will ruin their happiness.
These folks are typically short term thinkers with little to no formal academic backgrounds in the physical and biological sciences. They often resent egg-head scientists that make them look ignorant in comparison. Their primary focus is on issues such as taxation, tyranny, terrorism, immigration and federal government over-regulation. That leaves them blind to the trashed environment our offspring will be inheriting.
Such people can be presented with mountains of evidence, provided by a broad spectrum of scientific disciplines studying Anthropogenic Climate Disruption (ACD) effects, and will still reject it all off-hand as corrupted. They often do this with great pride, fully convinced this is the right approach. The more opposition they get the more convinced they become that they are right. This is the approach they typically take with the following information.
The climate science denialists, who post here, will feel an obligation to either ignore or reject all the following information.
Climate change: How do we know
The Cook et al. (2013) 97% consensus result is robust
The 97% ‘Consensus’ on Climate Science
List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations that state climate change is real and human driven
What’s Really Warming the World?
Bloomberg Carbon Clock
The three-minute story of 800,000 years of climate change with a sting in the tail
There’s No Science Behind Denying Climate Change
Earth sets heat record in 2016 — for the third year in a row
This Animation Lets You Watch Global Warming Heat Up Over 166 Years
New study confirms the oceans are warming rapidly
From pole to pole, twin sea ice records have scientists stunned
‘Extreme’ Changes Underway in Some of Antarctica’s Biggest Glaciers
Watch 26 Years of Arctic Ice Disappear in Seconds
Melting Permafrost Is Turbocharging Climate Change
How the Earth will pay us back for our carbon emissions with … more carbon emissions
America’s TV meteorologists: Symptoms of climate change are rampant, undeniable
Climate: What did We Know and When Did We Know it?
How Reliable are Satellite Temperatures? (Director’s Cut)
Major correction to satellite data shows 140% faster warming since 1998
Surveilling the Scientists
AP FACT CHECK: On climate science, most GOP candidates fail
Climate change escalating so fast it is ‘beyond point of no return’
New study rewrites two decades of research and author says we are ‘beyond point of no return’
Steven Chu Shares Some Sobering Climate Change Math
Scientists “too frightened” to tell truth on climate impacts
The Earth Itself Is Now Accelerating The Demise Of The Human Species
Climate change could plunge tens of millions of city dwellers into poverty by 2031
A Horrifying New Study Found that the Ocean is on its Way to Suffocating by 2030
March against madness – denial has pushed scientists out into the streets
The Threat of Global Warming causing Near-Term Human Extinction
Temperature, carbon dioxide and methane
CO2 Concentration – Last 800,000 years
CO2 Concentration during the last 316-years
Atmospheric CO2 Rocketed to 405.6 ppm Yesterday — A Level not Seen in 15 Million Years
World on track to lose two-thirds of wild animals by 2020, major report warns
Humanity driving ‘unprecedented’ marine extinction
I should point out some of the history that preceded this effort. In the U.S.S.R. the nuclear geo-engineering program was referred to as Peaceful Nuclear Explosions (PNE) and was encouraged by the counterpart effort, in the U.S., known as Project Plowshare. U.S. scientists and engineers encouraged the USSR to compete with us in efforts to employ nuclear explosive devices for various civil engineering applications. A major proponent, of the U.S. program was eminent nuclear physicist Dr. Edward Teller, often referred to as the father of the American H-bomb. Over a 17 year period the U.S. program spent approximately $770 million on the Project Plowshare program. There were 27 nuclear explosive tests conducted by the U.S. to test various concepts.
ARPA was engaged in some of those tests for the purposes of detecting underground nuclear explosions. Two of ARPA’s dedicated test took place in a salt dome southwest of Hattiesburg, Mississippi. They were known as the Salmon and the Sterling events.
As part of the Project Plowshare program students were encouraged to come up with various proposals for how nuclear explosives could be used. One proposal was to detonate nuclear explosives above the Los Angeles Basin to create a hole in the inversion layer that would allow the smoggy air to be drained upward with the nuclear blast plume.
An architecture student generated a plan to use nuclear explosives to terra-form the hills in the Marin Headlands to divert the natural fogs there so a new metropolis could be constructed across the Golden Gate, just north of San Francisco.
Certain segments of our society believe that such potentially embarrassing aspects of U.S. history are not worthy of being recorded in our history textbooks. That is one reason few people are now aware of such mega-follies.
Man has nothing to do with climate change? That’s like saying the zookeeper who let the lions loose was not responsible for the consequences. What was the climate like last time the carbon we drilled for and dug up and burned for the past 150 years was free in the atmosphere?
Climate scientist Reck is quoted above as saying that we don’t understand how it works, but that we need to do what we can.
Conservatives applauded the Cheney Doctrine as applied to invasion and interventions in the Middle East, but ignore its application to climate threats. https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2120605&page=1
So we have spent billions of dollars and determined…Yup the climate changes. In some parts of the world it changes 3-4 times a year and in some parts only a couple of times or maybe not at all. Most of us had learned this in first grade. What I find interesting is they spent all this money and haven’t figured out that weather is cyclical. There are warm times and there are cool times. It is a natural cycle that man has little if anything to do with.
Climate has always changed.What human influence may exist continues to be open to debate. It is impossible to do scientific tests to prove or disprove human causation.